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QuantumCowboy Admin


Number of posts: 211 Age: 25 Registration date: 2008-01-19
 | Subject: Re: The new City Players... Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:24 pm | |
| Oh, and I definitely intend to join the play selection committee... I need to become better-read in theater, and this sounds like a great opportunity to do so. I may also request a directing apprenticeship for one of next year's shows. On the technical side, lighting and sound design certainly pique my interest.... I'll have to take a look at the lineup in July and sort out what I'd like to do for which show. _________________ _____ ~QC "Acting is all about honesty... if you can fake that, you've got it down." --Oscar Wilde. "You must unlearn what you have learned." --Yoda, Jedi Master.
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|  | | CindyYagi Neophyte


Number of posts: 29 Age: 30 Location: Lancaster, CA Registration date: 2008-02-12
 | Subject: Question Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:57 am | |
| A while ago I was part of PCP. Since then I got very involved in community theatre. I have been Vice President of PRT and have been Directing, stage managing, set designing, light designing, choreagraphing and performing in PRT, DOT, IOT and CST shows. My question is ifI join the PCP will there be some kind of prejudice against me because I have been involved with "community theatre"? I have been told that I will not get a bad responce from one person and then from another I got that I would possibly be shunned. I just want the honest answer. |
|  | | Kara Amateur Thespian


Number of posts: 76 Location: Lancaster Registration date: 2008-01-19
 | Subject: Re: The new City Players... Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:24 am | |
| | CindyYagi wrote: | | My question is ifI join the PCP will there be some kind of prejudice against me because I have been involved with "community theatre"? I have been told that I will not get a bad responce from one person and then from another I got that I would possibly be shunned. I just want the honest answer. |
Shunned? Why? For bringing in a wealth of knowledge and experience to a growing group who needs it? I can't imagine that any sane member of PCP would shun you for that, Cindy. Currently I know of at least two members of PCP (myself included) with relatively extensive backgrounds in theatre--years of practical and/or professional experience and formal (B.A./B.A.E) degrees in the subject. The Players THEMSELVES seemed very interested and happy to welcome us and into the fold, and I'm happy to say that we feel like family to our fellow Player thespians. It was actually with some of the staff that we (or at least I) seemed to take issue. The breakdown of communication appears to happen at various levels, and my frustration, as I've posted before, is that I actually have wanted to give MORE to the theatre than they seemed interested in. Right or wrong, I felt like I was being percieved as a threat by some of the staffers, and trying to clear that up was nearly impossible because communication was so difficult.
Until now, that is. I'm hoping that the new committees being formed will help resolve some of these isues. And while I think that a play selection commitee and a director selection commitee is certainly a great start, I also believe that regular round-table meetings between PCP's, production staff, and tech crew to share ideas, meet and greet, and basically form some cohesion and comeraderie is certainly in order. Our shows are simply short and stressful to act as the only sort of opportunity for that.
In short, we'd love to have you. We need all types of people with all skill sets to join our family and help it grow into the magnificent thing it's about to be. I encourage you to come and try--see for yourself and you decide. _________________ "We're only amateurs because we don't get paid."
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|  | | QuantumCowboy Admin


Number of posts: 211 Age: 25 Registration date: 2008-01-19
 | Subject: Re: The new City Players... Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:57 am | |
| | CindyYagi wrote: | | A while ago I was part of PCP. Since then I got very involved in community theatre. I have been Vice President of PRT and have been Directing, stage managing, set designing, light designing, choreagraphing and performing in PRT, DOT, IOT and CST shows. My question is ifI join the PCP will there be some kind of prejudice against me because I have been involved with "community theatre"? I have been told that I will not get a bad responce from one person and then from another I got that I would possibly be shunned. I just want the honest answer. |
I have no idea why someone would have told you that you would be shunned... everyone here in my experience has been very friendly, especially the actors. Though I do see some of the things Kara is talking about, perhaps they don't hit me as hard because I am not as experienced as she ans some others are, and I have no expectations beyond just learning and having a good time.
I get the feeling that the "old guard," including some of the staff and actors, are a bit defensive about all the new people coming in and the new direction and standards that have implicitly been put into place just by the fact that there is such a flux of talent and energy into the group (in addition to what was already there). Keep in mind that PCP was not formed over a decade ago as a repertory-type company, or even a serious community theater. It's primary purpose has been, and probably will remain at the core, as a learning theater.
I think you have a lot of people who have been defaulted into acting, technical, and production roles for a long time, just because there hasn't been much of anyone else involved. Now all these people come in, and all of a sudden you need to compete and step up the game and hey maybe even cede something you've been doing a lot of to someone who knows it better, and its bound to make some people feel like their toes are being stepped on. That attitude needs to change if we are to take this to the next level, and I think it is in the (slow) process of changing.
I'm optimistic. I think we have a lot of great people and we've learned a lot this year. Kara's idea is brilliant; the first task of the new council should be to arrange some sort of round table with the whole theater. In this summer's off season, there is so much we can do to step up everyone's game, but only if we are positive and forward-thinking about it. We have so much potential, and we are almost through the growth spurt pains... Cindy, I think this is actually the best time you could join; the growing will continue, but if the major changes we want can be mostly effected by summer's end (and I think that is perfectly doable with the right attitudes), this fall will be the "dawning of a new era" so to speak for PCP, and you will be there from the beginning. And your extensive experience and what you can teach us, is going to just reinforce the new way of things around here. Come on in! _________________ _____ ~QC "Acting is all about honesty... if you can fake that, you've got it down." --Oscar Wilde. "You must unlearn what you have learned." --Yoda, Jedi Master.
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|  | | Tamitha Neophyte

Number of posts: 38 Registration date: 2008-01-19
 | Subject: Re: The new City Players... Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:44 am | |
| I apologize for not sticking my 2 cents worth in earlier. (Just noticed the postings.) The incenption of the PCP happened only 5-6 years ago and was made up of just a few people, off and on throughout the years. It has just been last year and this year, really, that we have maintained a steady, reliable, and talented group of folks of more than 5 people. Yes, we have some who have been here since the beginning; however, it is just a handful. The others have trickled in throughout the years. Having said that, it has just been recently that we have experienced the growth you see now. As for growth in talent, that is something that has sprung up w/in the last couple of years and the playhouse has tried exceedingly to accommodate with shows that are more of a stretch. Now is the time that a progressive move forward must occur. Growth, in any program, happens in stages and I believe that this is the next stage for PCP. As for the actor/tech relations, I, too, felt the strain. However, I grew up in theatre programs where everyone did everything, within reason. You helped where needed, etc. And, it has only been with the PPH that I have experienced the separation. I believe part of that is due to the employment situation there. (Whereas before everyone was a volunteer, student, etc.) Having a theatre where employed people do the work has been an adjustment for me, as well. (Along with the limitations that this brings to the table.) Using us as volunteers to run the shows, etc., is a great sign. It means that they know us, trust us, and believe that we are more than capable of handling the work that someone else was hired to do. And, I will be taking full advantage of it. I have a costuming background. I tracked in Acting/Costuming while receiving my degree and miss being in the costume shop. So, I plan to help Susana as much as she needs. Perhaps, even volunteering to costume design a show. (Obviously one that I'm not previously involved in. lol) These are my suggestions: 1. When the new season is released decide early what you want to be involved in and in what capacity. Then, let them know, in writing, so that they have a record of it. (Talk to me about this so I can make sure it gets through the right channels.) 2. Show your face. Pop in, on occasion and let them know you are available to help out. If you want to file, show your face in the office. "Hey, I've got an hour, what can I do to help?" This increased face time will encourage them that we are serious about helping out. Walking the walk, not just talking the talk, so to speak. 3. Apply to join the drama council. It is easier to make changes within, than without. So, go for it; get in there, and git r done. This council will be a great way to have an inside look on the changes and possibly be a part of making the way for them. And, I agree with Jay on politics to a certain degree; however, I don't believe that this will be the case for the council. They are going to have a heavy work load and major responsibilities. I believe that everyone will be working toward the same goals, using the same guidelines, and such to where politics won't have much of a say, if at all. Finally, these changes are for the greater good of the group. We are lucky to have such dedicated thespians eager to do the work, from the planning, to the production, and strike of a show. Yes, QC, I believe that the AV hasn't seen the best of us, yet. But, it hasn't been for trying over the years. The playhouse shows over the years have tried to appeal to a variety of audiences and it may have cost them the press that a musical, etc. might allow. But, with that, much responsibility has been demanded for the best in all of us. Now, let us shine and let the AV stand back and bask in our glow. Your fearless friend, Tamitha |
|  | | keltroncybo Moderator


Number of posts: 92 Age: 27 Registration date: 2008-01-28
 | Subject: Re: The new City Players... Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:38 am | |
| Well I guess it's all been said already, but I'd like to say for my part that I think no matter what we do to the structure of PCP and PPH NOTHING will truly change if the attitudes and mentalities don't follow along. We can have all the committees in the world, but if the techies don't see any reason to mingle or the actors are hesitant to get their feet wet, it will be a serious uphill battle. So, if we all take this on with as much positive energy as possible, and we look at it as a way to create the change that so desperately needs to happen, then I think it can work. Despite some previously frustrating experiences on this specific front I am trying to stay positive, though hesitant to get my hopes too high. _________________ Be mischievous, it feels good.
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|  | | CindyYagi Neophyte


Number of posts: 29 Age: 30 Location: Lancaster, CA Registration date: 2008-02-12
 | Subject: Re: The new City Players... Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:58 am | |
| Reading what evertyone is saying I find it kinda funny that the techies are the ones who are encouraging me to do the PCP. I am friends with most of the tech staff and they are very positive about the PCP. |
|  | | QuantumCowboy Admin


Number of posts: 211 Age: 25 Registration date: 2008-01-19
 | Subject: Re: The new City Players... Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:28 am | |
| | CindyYagi wrote: | | Reading what evertyone is saying I find it kinda funny that the techies are the ones who are encouraging me to do the PCP. I am friends with most of the tech staff and they are very positive about the PCP. |
I can't speak for anyone else, but I think there is a distinction between tech and staff attitudes, and also there are definitely two camps of tech. Mouse is the perfect example of the great camp; he's friendly, open, and willing to do what it takes to get things done right. It's just the few that make it seem like we are stepping on someone's toes when we try to help that create a negative vibe.
As for staff, I don't think it's really an attitude thing, its just a whole set of bad policies, and I don't know if they are at the theater level or at the city level:
1. What's the point of volunteering if we aren't allowed to anyway? Case in point, keltron yesterday at rehearsal offered to help with costumes because for some reason no one at the staff has scheduled the costumer to see us and its two weeks to show. The response was that we can't, because the rules say that a staff member has to be in the room with us, and they can't pay more staff hours. Prior to the staff cuts, the official line was that there is a staff person to do that, and regardless of your skill level relative to theirs, they are going to do it, not you. Either of these scenarios has been repeated for several people this entire year.
2. The theater has not scheduled enough rehearsal time for this show. We asked if we can get together and rehearse on our own. Can't do it... staff member has to be there and they can't take the liability otherwise.
3. We aren't allowed to bring our own props in, despite the fact that the staff isn't sure whether or not we will be able to pull props from the theater's stash for May's show.
WE WANT TO HELP AND PUT MORE TIME INTO THIS BUT ARE SO HOBBLED BY BUREAUCRACY WE CANT.
Seriously, I'd be willing to sign a liability waiver and accept responsibility for damage if thats what it takes to get more than lip service on how involved with all aspects of theater we can get. _________________ _____ ~QC "Acting is all about honesty... if you can fake that, you've got it down." --Oscar Wilde. "You must unlearn what you have learned." --Yoda, Jedi Master.
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|  | | Kara Amateur Thespian


Number of posts: 76 Location: Lancaster Registration date: 2008-01-19
 | Subject: Re: The new City Players... Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:43 am | |
| | QuantumCowboy wrote: | 1. What's the point of volunteering if we aren't allowed to anyway? 2. The theater has not scheduled enough rehearsal time for this show. 3. We aren't allowed to bring our own props in...
WE WANT TO HELP AND PUT MORE TIME INTO THIS BUT ARE SO HOBBLED BY BUREAUCRACY WE CANT.
Seriously, I'd be willing to sign a liability waiver and accept responsibility for damage if thats what it takes to get more than lip service on how involved with all aspects of theater we can get. |
QC, you are my hero! (Don't tell my husband!)
Seriously though, QC is exactly right. My jaw nearly hit the floor at the scene I witnessed during rehearsal when Keltron offered to help costume our show. First, we've been chastised for not volunteering enough (don't get me started on THAT rant again) then when we do, we're told that we CAN'T.
AAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
What a messed-up, sad-excuse for a system that is! Something's got to give, and soon. Because I don't want to hear ANOTHER WORD ABOUT HOW WE AS ACTORS NEED TO DO MORE ABOUT HELPING OUT IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE CASTERATED BY OUR OWN THEATRE.
I'm at wit's end here. If I didn't think this theatre was thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis close to being something spectacular, and if I didn't love--truly love-- and respect my fellow PCP's and our talented and hardworking, dedicated director so fervently, I'd have gotten up and walked out yesterday.
Let's get this mess fixed. _________________ "We're only amateurs because we don't get paid."
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|  | | QuantumCowboy Admin


Number of posts: 211 Age: 25 Registration date: 2008-01-19
 | Subject: Re: The new City Players... Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:49 am | |
| Word on the grapevine is that a few of us will be meeting with theater management next week. I'm looking forward to it. This is long past due... seems like this discussion board is the only place where anything is getting talked about. All you tech and staff who recently joined the board, post your own opinions! If the threads seem one-sided, that's because only one side is taking the time to bring these issues up. I've said it before, I'll say it again: I'm ready to rock this next year regardless of what happens... By golly, I'm still going to fly in the face of problems I see, but unless I'm kicked out or something, I'm sticking with it. (Fired from PCP... wait a minute, I pay *them*... I need a better agent!)  (just kidding) _________________ _____ ~QC "Acting is all about honesty... if you can fake that, you've got it down." --Oscar Wilde. "You must unlearn what you have learned." --Yoda, Jedi Master.
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